Fight

"Kony abduct kids just like Gabin" He abducts white kids fathered by limp wristed activists?!

lol @ at the part where these limp wristed occupy wall streeter looking codepinker twerps who are typically anti-war are whining about the US not carpetbombing Uganda.

Oh my god I hate this guy. "We need to like, show this movie to as like,.. many people as possible? So that we won't be ignored".

lol @ all of the clips used from public speaking where it sounds like Michael Scott or David Brent trying to motivate the office.

Stupid young people.

LOL! STOPPING KONY WITH OCCUPY WALL STREETY GUITAR PLAYING AND LOOSE CHANGEY DVD MAKING!

lol @ all of this school worship through out the movie

lol @ all the up-raised fist and student-union crap fully embodying this occupy wall street look

MIC CHECK @ 16:58

Quick! Let's all reelect our hero Barack Obama! Rattle all the tents at Occupy Wall Street!

wow @ justifying the use of force because the people(some hipster college kids) demanded it. Democracy makes me puke.

Yeah, I don't want to be a part of this cause. It's promoting occupy wall street democracy more than anything else. Seriously. This "young people" crap is obnoxious.

It must be confusing to be a hippie occupy wall streeter. You want to save the world by recycling and going paperless but here are a bunch of occupy wall streeter's littering the world with all of this kony crap.

The bottom of the pyramid = the 99%

The most tragic thing about this effort, and with all of these sissy vegan occupiers in general, is their willingness to act and organize independent of the government only if it means getting the government to do something for them.

Someone let me know when there is a market oriented effort to get rid of people like Kony that doesn't target only empty headed occupiers

In the meantime, consider this

http://reason.com/archives/2007/02/23/guns-dont-kill-people-gun-cont

"The country of Uganda plans to send about 1,500 troops to Somalia as part of an African Union peace-keeping force. "

"For months now, Ugandan army troops have been garrisoned in the northeast part of the country under orders to disarm the local populace"

"But in its effort to "disarm," the Ugandan army, supported by tanks and helicopter gunships, is burning down villages, sexually torturing men, raping women, and plundering what few possessions the tribespeople own."

"The misnamed Uganda People’s Defence Force (UPDF) will torture and rape Karamajong, after which some Karamojong might then disclose the location of some hidden guns. Or the army will burn down a village, after which it might find some guns in the ash left behind."

"The current government has repeatedly broken its promises of goods, services, and personal protection for tribespeople who voluntarily disarmed."

"The Daily Monitor newspaper, for example, reports that the Ugandan government has announced plans to confiscate “about 1,903 sq km out of the total area of 2,304 sq km of the Pian Upe game reserve” for private investment purposes."

"Last summer, the Ugandan army's atrocities led the United Nations Development Programme to cut off its disarmament aid to Uganda. But the outrage didn't last long. This year, the aid was restored. "

Didn't the movie we just saw interview a bunch of people in the Ugandan government who want to get rid of Kony? Perhaps if the UGodDamn Government focused on Kony the way they do on disarmament and ethnocide of the Karamajong and "peace keeping" and whatever other stupid thing they do they could get this Kony son of a bitch all by themselves. Why should stupid young people who are bored with Tibet lead this cause?

Great documentary. Though I hope the increasingly viral phrase 'kony 2012' is not an implied call for another unilateral intervention in the region, especially with the outcome of the French mission of the 90's in mind. But here's one Kony among others not as far as Eastern Africa in case it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

Couldn't watch the documentary earlier so I assumed it was the one Invisible Children made a few years ago. This one however, though maybe well-intentioned is more emotionally charged than informative, a blatant call for more interventionist policies. They lost me with the explicit December 2012 ultimatum to act, then with Bush, Rumsfeld, the two Rices and pro-war congressmen as key policy makers to help bring justice to Ugandan children.
What a joke. I guess the newest technique to precondition the public opinion is to get everyone to feel participative and involved in a grand humanitarian cause.

The hole Kony thing was just a scam to extort donations.

Strike this Kony down and another will rise, Africa needs to sort their own shit out.

well thats the problem, as stated previously, the UN actually helped fund the government and its armies
to bring people like Kony down, instead they go round fringe villages looting and raping and burning
those down.

If anything, as heartless as it is, perhaps we give them too much assistance, maybe the world
should just back off, and let them either die out, or figure it out themselves.

> Strike this Kony down and another will rise, Africa needs
> to sort their own shit out.

You realy have compassion for the wordl haven't you? Well lets take a look at it for another angle. If our country wasn't helped when we were to weak to resist we know would have spoken german. Nobody said to us sort out your own problems. It this egocentric behaviour that makes the world even worst than it already is. I find saying let them sort out there own problems pretty dumb.

> The hole Kony thing was just a scam to extort donations.

just
Please elaborate on that.

You are under the impression that the allied forces were moved (solely) by their bleeding heart sympathy for Europe, when they had a much more important reason: the threat of being overrun by the Germans themselves.

Not to mention that Europe was indeed helped back then, but then went on to rebuild and make progress in society. Africa has been receiving help for how long now? They do not seem to progress even an inch. That is the difference between Europe being helped out in times of need and Africa's eternal cry for help.

Mostly America rebuilt Europe so they could eliminate any future military threats and make loads of money in the meantime.

It's a fact that most of the money raised by charity ends up in the wrong hands. I do have sympathy for poor people but rather than buying them fishes everyday I'd rather teach them how to fish. Of course there must be the will to get taught that as well.
Over and over again military intervention missions have also proven to be fruitless. Just take a look at the US troops in Afghanistan.

So what do you suggest we do to "help" Africa?

Maybe a few ideas that go past these fallacies suggesting that Africans if left alone might drive themselves to extinction, that they're eternally bound to cry for help or that product redistribution on planetary scale somehow leads to durable development...

First, to stop propping up dictators.
In the cases where it's not done so openly, end "foreign aid" since it is ultimately channeled to fund oppressive regimes. The money is used to perpetuate the repression by buying more weapons from the metastatic self-feeding military-industrial complex which happens, perhaps unsurprisingly, to comprise roughly of the largest donor countries.

Lift trade sanctions and limitations of market access for African countries that are unilaterally tagged as undemocratic.
End agricultural over-subsidies -a violation of trade agreements- that are aimed to lower prices and dump the massive resulting production on third-world markets again in the name of humanitarianism, leading virtually to a sabotage of farming activity in the agriculturally based economies of Africa.
And on a worsening but lesser effect, end the international drug war which is ultimately an incentive for beat farmers in less monitored parts of the world to switch at further expense of farming to poppy cultivation.

Abolish the monopolised magical ability that allows for the printing of money out of thin air. This is doubly detrimental to countries around the world thru both inflation of overall prices and devaluation of imposed fiat currency, perhaps more so to the purchasing power of third-world countries and what little they have.

Basically, like a wise man said not too long ago to the deaf ears of a booing bloodthirsty audience: do trade not war.

I am open to being wrong about this, but it I doubt trade will help. If people were to trade openly and with less restriction in Africa, who is to say they are not trading with the same bad people? Also, it sounds like to me that the people who are victims of these militant groups cant afford to participate in this trade. Also, if the resources of the afflicted people become more valuable due to any proposed efforted hand-up, wouldn't this just increase the incentive to steal and pillage those resources? I would like to be wrong here but it sounds like the only way this can be fought without government is if investors for arms and energy companies wanted to get into the agriculture business and saw Africa as a financially viable place to grow crops and were willing to form a security force to enforce and protect property if the land owners agreed to development agreements for oil excavating and farm development or extracting valuable resources. I don't think oil or crops would be economically viable enough for this even if there was a scenario that allowed African crops to have more value; which would still pale in comparison to oil and minerals and such. Africa's best bet is for said investors and companies to contribute to campaigns that will earmark military and defense budgets to pay for such a thing via taxes instead of the investors own money. Hence, the viral Kony videos.

Having said all of that, I admit to having absolutely no desirable or realistic solution to this problem.

> You are under the impression that the allied forces were
> moved (solely) by their bleeding heart sympathy for
> Europe, when they had a much more important reason: the
> threat of being overrun by the Germans themselves.

No. No Im am not under the impression that they were moved by their bleeding heart solely. I merely said try to look at it from another angle. And from your post we can read their bleeding heart was also a factor and it was. If you don't have the compaasion to help them because the realy need help perhaps we can look at it from yet another angle. What about the spreading of refugees throughout africa because of sick people like Kone and as a result from that the spreading of refugees to europe? Ad to that the thread of spreading hate, violence and crime across the boarders into other countries it leaves me with enough reasons to help them. People seem to forget the world has changed, in matters like these we should look at it global. The distance between our country and africa is small. I have seen in my line of work enough evidence that as a result of people like Kone victims, crime and violence has entered our country. We cannot seal of our country.

> Not to mention that Europe was indeed helped back then,
> but then went on to rebuild and make progress in society.
> Africa has been receiving help for how long now?

Do you seriously think africa got the same help as we did after WW II? Come on you must be joking?

They do
> not seem to progress even an inch. That is the difference
> between Europe being helped out in times of need and
> Africa's eternal cry for help.

That is a little to simplistic and you know it. The history of africa differs on so many levels from ours that a comparison is ridiculous. We suppressed and exploited africa for so long and after that we left them to rot. They never had a chance to evolve like we did. And in even when we left them to rot we continued to exploit and supress them. Not by military force but by our economic force and with our political agenda. It is more complex than just saying it is just their own fault, let them cry.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46763578/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/#.T2PUSmyXu14

The sweetheart from Kony 2012. lol

Caught in the act of what? A mental and/or physical break down? A mental illness? What exactly is his crime? The police themselves said this wasn't a criminal but medical incident. So why are you insinuating otherwise? Rather ungracious of you dont you think?

Why are you against people trying to voncine their governments to change their policy?

And you tend to forget that what they want is him to be caught as criminal and brought before the international criminal court who put him on their wanted list. Those country who signed the agreement on the international criminal court have the obligation to catch him. So far they haven't done enough so it is perfectly normal for the people to put pressure on their governments.

You sound as if you wanne live in isolation from the rest of the world, but that is impossible.

Well sub-saharan countries are mostly resource-independent and the majority of their people live on what little agricultural product they can sell. There would certainly be an improvement if they were subjected to less anti-trade practices (case of Benin) and if able to trade openly with the rest of the world.

In practice though the elimination of few manmade constraints does not achieve food security, but should pave the way towards farming reinvestment and technical utilisation. However any development effort remains fruitless if it doesn't tackle at once the many elements of the present vicious cycle (oppression, destitution, illiteracy, disease, etc.) And that's why the foreign meddling, unscrupulous support and selling of weapons has to stop, making way for disarmament and reconciliatory measures (and ballots).

Simultaneously when deprived of funding, dictatorships in resource-independent countries are arithmetically unsustainable unless they include the people. And so they turn to feed on increased taxation (or socialisation), perhaps more so in Africa in order to match the high population growth. This can only be obtained through more or less compromise with the people, the basis of all governance, allowing them a vital minimum of freedom which in turn allows for the production of taxable growth.

The resulting regime over time can range from North Korean to Botswana style, as economic growth is eventually conducive to more social interaction (even in NK) and demanding of political reconsiderations - in accordance with the premise of social mobilisation and individual responsibility as key principles of durable development. Then how it goes from there depends on the extent of political and intellectual reform (Ghana reverts in the 90's)...

The act of "masturbating in public, vandalizing cars and possibly under the influence of something, according to the SDPD." It doesn't help his already shady character and cause much PR-wise. As for the bit that doesn't require consensus, it's funny thinking he could have been masturbating to world dominance.

Please read my other comment(s) because your interpretation of my personal positions is entirely mistaken.