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Raistlin_ male
John
01 Apr 2012 15:42

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sure sure.



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xtrcool male
from Netherlands
01 Apr 2012 15:42

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Reply to re by Raistlin_

> i dont see the problem.

You don't? It is not that hard, really.

> Or do you propose closing the borders and shooting anyone
> that tries to cross?

If you had read my posts you would have known I am all for helping out those countries in need so they don't have to migrate.



Raistlin_ male
John
01 Apr 2012 15:45

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> If you had read my posts you would have known I am all for
> helping out those countries in need so they don't have to
> migrate.

But jino brought up a very valid point.

if they HAD to migrate, would you welcome them into your backyard with open arms?
or would you shoot them on sight?



xtrcool male
from Netherlands
01 Apr 2012 15:45

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Reply to re by jino

> His heart bleeds for Africans and all the injustice done
> to them in the past and now. As long as they stay in their
> our continent though. Wouldn't want that shit in his own
> backyard..

What kind of nonsense is that? Trolling again? No I want them to have a good opportunity to live their life in their own country. Fleeing your own country, whatever the reason is, is not a picknick. I have been working in that field for over 7 years now, I know what I am talking about. But to make everything clear: I am all for a much liberal assylum police than we have now in our country.



xtrcool male
from Netherlands
01 Apr 2012 15:47

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Reply to re by Raistlin_

Read my posts on his false conclusion on my view on the refugee policy :)



Raistlin_ male
John
01 Apr 2012 15:53

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alright, so you'd welcome them into your backyard.

once there, now what? they're still hat in hand, begging for help, and the problem
goes around again.



xtrcool male
from Netherlands
01 Apr 2012 15:59

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I guess you would rather shoot them.
Read my countries policy on that, I have been working with it for 7 years, although it has changed. And not for the better, I guess they follow your line of ideas on the matter. And I can tell you the situation isn't getting better. The old policy worked better for my country and the refugees.



Raistlin_ male
John
01 Apr 2012 16:09

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no, i didnt say i'd shoot em. I said leave em alone, and pull all assistance out.
Let them fend for themselves. close the borders.

In australia, im all for putting great big signs up on our beaches in several languages
stating ' fuck off, we're full ', but thats just me, and Im not alone in the theory that
people have been entering this country by legal means for decades.

Instead, we have detention centres where these people are placed, processed and
become a blight on tax-payer money. There, they complain about their living conditions,
fight amongst themelves, go on hunger strikes, all the while getting more or less free accomodation,
food, cigarettes, tuition/education and medical care.

all things they could get in their own countries, but would rather risk it all on a leaky boat.
go figure.



xtrcool male
from Netherlands
01 Apr 2012 16:16

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Well it isn't your country in the first place is it... You must know the history of your country.



01 Apr 2012 17:20

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Reply to re by xtrcool

Nonsense? Trolling? You've mentioned it several times in this thread. You've presented refugees as a problem for Europe; you've claimed that these refugees bring crime to our streets. I'll get back to this in a couple hours with your own quotes. Right now it's time to take my leave; Futsal tiem nao!



01 Apr 2012 22:38

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Reply to re by xtrcool

Every time I read your posts you're fearmongering & decline any answer that doesn't agree with your skewed view on things... It's getting old.



Raistlin_ male
John
02 Apr 2012 00:39

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> Every time I read your posts you're fearmongering &
> decline any answer that doesn't agree with your skewed
> view on things... It's getting old.

IAWTP.



02 Apr 2012 01:06

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Reply to re by Raistlin_

I don't know what field he claims to have worked in for the past seven years but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with refugees. Many refugees don't want to stay in the country that has taken away family members or basic human rights - it's not up to him to say what the ideal situation is and quite often it is not staying in their country of origin.



02 Apr 2012 01:10

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Reply to re by Raistlin_

> stating ' fuck off, we're full ', but thats just me, and

We're not full.

> all things they could get in their own countries, but
> would rather risk it all on a leaky boat.
> go figure.

I'm pretty sure that most refugees do not receive free accomodation, food, cigarettes etc from their country of origin. Over 80 % of the people that apply for asylum here are assessed as genuine refugees.



Eidolon male
Zinedine Zidane
02 Apr 2012 14:35

Fair point amid a load of bollocks

Reply to re by Raistlin_

Your entire reasoning is blindly based on incorrect assumptions, that international aid to Africa consists of substantial funds and comprehensive programs that actually bear the potential to propel these countries out of poverty. When in fact the little money they receive, and which is way below agreed or expert recommendations, doesn't even match its inflation rates, hardly or never finds the communities (eg. aid to Egypt is military) ; and most importantly is tied to arms sales that, next to aid, are of exponential proportions.

And it is only out of your indifference and manifest ethnocentric views, that you come to the sensible conclusion that foreign aid is no solution - more like these people deserve no more of your money. That if Africans have historically failed to make use of the fifty-year aid and to catch up with the one-way industrial train, it must be because their ethnic or cultural backgrounds -however diverse in reality- predispose against it.

And so in order for them as a distinct species1 to validate their human capability of growth -at least before the ethnocentric and the ignorant of precolonial history- they should be left alone and will have to avoid driving themselves to extinction, in your version of an ultimate survival test - one much comparable to you leaving your cat unvaccinated (lol). 2

So while you have a valid point in stating that aid is no solution, your underlying reasons and analysis that questions the adaptive abilities of the African people in a recurrently superior tone, is actually a few centuries more backwards than the naïve take advocating more of the same aid. Also, it has very little to do with evolution.



Raistlin_ male
John
02 Apr 2012 15:00

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im sorry, but that entire reply made me chuckle.
Im sure you'll understand why.



Hikari female
Pocket
02 Apr 2012 15:00

Out of curiosity

What do you think is a solution?



Eidolon male
Zinedine Zidane
02 Apr 2012 15:10

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Reply to re by Raistlin_

> im sorry, but that entire reply made me chuckle.
> Im sure you'll understand why.

I cannot read your mind. If I had to speculate I'd say you opted for the easy answer.



xtrcool male
from Netherlands
02 Apr 2012 15:29

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Reply to Re: by Adorkable!

Please care to explain why my views are skewed insted of just dropping in and saying you don't like it. If its true what you are saying you look just like me :)
And there is one other choice, don't read my posts. I'm sure you can make that descision.



xtrcool male
from Netherlands
02 Apr 2012 15:34

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Reply to re by dropbear

> I don't know what field he claims to have worked in for
> the past seven years but it doesn't seem to have anything
> to do with refugees.

You're wrong.

Many refugees don't want to stay in
> the country that has taken away family members or basic
> human rights - it's not up to him to say what the ideal
> situation is and quite often it is not staying in their
> country of origin.

Did I say that? No I didn't. Where do you come up with this BS?