You've presented refugees as a problem for
> Europe;

Yes it a problem for us as for them. How can one deny that? Whenever there are refugee's their are problems. Idon't know if you have any idea how the situation is in Italy or Greece when talking about refugee's. Those countries have great difficulty with the refugees. They lack the funds, knowledge and political will. They also get a greater amount of refugees as they boarder closer to Africa and the middle east. I said I am all for a more liberal approach for our country. We can help more refugees then we do right now. We can help out Italy and Greece. Therefor help Europe with the refugee problem.

you've claimed that these refugees bring crime to
> our streets.

No I haven't. What BS is this. Please say in which post I mentioned that. Don't confuse me with raistlin or his likes.

I'll get back to this in a couple hours with
> your own quotes.

I am looking forward to that.

> No I haven't. What BS is this. Please say in which post I mentioned that. Don't confuse me with raistlin or his likes.

Sorry, where'd i say this? please dont confuse me with your own self-delusion.

Perhaps equally pertinent: what's with the out of curiosity questions? ¹

I am simply curious what you would think. That's all. It's a difficult issue to come to terms with, you sound like you've thought about the topic, I'd like to hear the thoughts. No hidden agenda.

> I'll get back to this in a couple hours with
> > your own quotes.
> I am looking forward to that.

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You get one chance to clarify whatever you meant. You get this benefit of doubt due to your track record of poor proficiency in English.

> You get one chance to clarify whatever you meant.

I'll get as many opportunities as I get around here, that doesn't depend on you.

For people who have more knowledge on the subject it is quite clear but I'll inform you :)

A refugee doesn't mean he can't be violent, criminal or with hate. It has been proven over and over again that amongst refugees there are also criminals, violent people and hatefull people. Soem do flee their own country because the have committed warcrimes, some have a different agenda, some are just criminal, some are hatefull. And yes when they come as a refugee to our continent it is a problem. I know this, I interviewed and dealed with hundreds of people who came to our country as a refugee. Not all of them had good intentions.

So I never said and I'll qoute you:
you've claimed that these refugees bring crime to our streets. © jino
If you had read my post correctly you would have seen that it said: Ad to that the thread of etc..
Now again you have said something about my english. But I seriously are now doubting your comprehension of english and even your comprehension anything really.

You didn't use that exact wording. You said:
>Instead, we have detention centres where these people are placed, processed and
>become a blight on tax-payer money. There, they complain about their living conditions,
>fight amongst themelves, go on hunger strikes, all the while getting more or less free accomodation,
>food, cigarettes, tuition/education and medical care. © riastlin

You just criminalised a whole group.

Nice try to add a little bit of nuance there; but my statement still stands.

You claimed¹ that refugees bring crime to our streets. You just confirmed what I stated; it's not that hard to understand.
Of course there are criminals and other kinds of rotten apples among refugees; no country/race/group of people are without those. You, however, laid the emphasis on these threaTs in your post. Directly implying that this is a good reason to keep them in their own country and helping them stay there by helping their nation prosper.

Je kan recht lullen wat krom is, maar je uitspraken staan op zichzelf.

I'm implying nothing, you are drawing the false conclusions. If you had paid any attention to my posts you would have known I wasn't implying anything you accuse me off. Your lack of comprehension or you just trolling? Who know's. The fact is you can't back anything up. And you also have nothing really serious to ad here. Go figure.

by definition here, when they try to enter the country via illegal means,
in this case, via a boat, they are placed in detention centres. Im quite sure
your country has similar laws stipulating the difference between illegal
and legal means of entry to your country.

I didnt make the laws.

Also he needs to learn the difference between a refugee and an illegal immigrant. Criminals escaping punishment or war criminals are not refugees by definition and would be denied such status because of their exploits. It suprises me hugely that somebody that claims to work in some capacity with refugees would make this glaring, basic error.

The laws of my country are quite clear. When a foreigner is illegal her the question him. During that questioning they ask him if he wants to ask for assylum. If he does he is placed under the care of an organisation that provides him shelter, money, legal assitence and he gets questioned by a special bureau that will investigate if his assylum application is rightfull. If you don't ask for assylum you go straight to jail.

It is clear you have no knowledge of the laws of my country. If you have done some reading up come back to me a try to discuss it.

I misunderstood your wording as asking for a definition of a solution. Perhaps I was a little too high on the mood of bringing someone down a peg or two over a few comments. :p I did offer my opinion on what would be a starting point of a solution here and here in case you missed it. Basically that the problem is not innate to the African people, but rather resides in the local policies and crippling yet undeclared sanctions that prevent the epidemiological and economic transition towards a more sustainable model.