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05 Sep 2013 03:02

Berlin's ban on Christmas

In Berlin's district of Kreuzberg the district's council has come up with something new. Initially an idea by the Green Party and the Pirate Party, but well received by the Social Democrats.

The thing is, that about 300 muslims want to celebrate Ramadan for more than four weeks in a row on a central place in that area, according to this SD councelor. In his opinion that's hardly doable for the district, so that's off the agenda.
But in light of equal treatment 1 he's of course willing to compromise, which in this case means a ban on Christmas scenes too.

Two things here don't quite add up to me. Muslims only celebrate the end of Ramadan ( the Eid) which officially lasts only three days. The second thing is my belief that the original values of the country should never be compromised like this. Ask an average muslim on the streets what he thinks about this and chances are he doesn't even care.

I wonder what those leftist appeasers think they're onto, even when it's completely unnecessary.
Does anyone here have any clues? There seems to be a shortage of those amongst our 'representatives'.


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Tracy!
05 Sep 2013 03:41

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I agree with your sentiments regarding this joker you speak of, in that he does seem to be cutting his nose off to spite his face. And I agree that the historical authenticity from which ones culture is derived, should be protected & perserved. Traditions are important to any people. Which is why I also believe that Muslims should be able to keep, practice & honour theirs too.
It seems his answer to the problem is rather extreme, in which no one benefits - on the contrary in fact!
Perhaps there could have been a better compromise - like finding alternate accommodation to celebrate Ramadan. Or something - I don't know lol. New Zealand has a lot of cultures within her shores and we somehow make it work. Its possible.
Why are politicians always such clowns...


05 Sep 2013 03:46

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05 Sep 2013 04:57

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Why cant they just celebrate side by side?


05 Sep 2013 05:40

Celebrate

>The thing is, that about 300 muslims want to celebrate
> Ramadan for more than four weeks in a row on a central
> place in that area,

What central place are you thinking of ? I know almost every street there behind the Oberbaumbrücke along Skalitzer Strasse because I have had some relatives living there in the Oppelner Strasse. Traditionally, this area has become a district of the Turkish population since the sixties and seventies. I do not understand why there is this 'prohibition', but I am afraid the politicians do not want any trouble before the federal elections. Every year in May Kreuzberg is the centre of trouble between opposing groups. I think it is not directed against the muslime population but is a mere security problem of the authorities in this overcrowded district of Berlin.
Actually, I doubt it is due to the Social Democrats, the Green and the Left for they are the parties that are usually in favour of multicultural events and tolerate people of different confessions. There are by far more 'black and brown' right wing circles in Germany that direct their sentiments against ethnic groups to gain advantage within the conservative and reactionary parts of the population. I wonder how politicians from Bavaria would have reacted, where they are discussing if female muslim teachers should be allowed to wear headscarves or not...


05 Sep 2013 06:02

Compromise

> Perhaps there could have been a better compromise - like
> finding alternate accommodation to celebrate Ramadan. Or
> something.

That is the point in this case, I believe.

> I don't know lol. New Zealand has a lot of
> cultures within her shores and we somehow make it work.
> Its possible.

Of course it is.
But NZ has four million people, and Germany has eighty four million (!!) I understand politicians have to consider security reasons and measures that are not directed against ethnic groups.
If you had a look at a German football stadium you'd think the armed police forces with their helmets and armours are preparing for a war...


05 Sep 2013 06:12

Contradiction

>>> Why cant they just celebrate side by side?

Seen from outside that is a reasonable question. But here the local population usually blames other cultures not to be willing to get integrated and to learn German. And the multicultured people from the diasporas blame the Germans not to welcome them.
Its two parallell worlds, and politicians are worrying about avoiding clashes.


05 Sep 2013 08:34

Always

trust the "leftists" to entertain divisive tensions in the name of equality.


05 Sep 2013 11:24

It didn't say

Here's the article I got it from. It's in Dutch though.


scully ♀
alleged boardtroll
05 Sep 2013 14:50

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lol @ de Telegraaf news sourse
did you verify this?
None of the 3 more reliable newspapers make note of this...


05 Sep 2013 15:36

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I don't hold the newspaper in high regard either, but I know it got picked up by several bloggers first. The latter tend to get on the news before it becomes news.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kreuzberg+ramadan+christmas

There's no such thing as reliable newspapers.


scully ♀
alleged boardtroll
05 Sep 2013 15:44

re

thats why I said more reliable... :)
Telegraaf is trash. That is what I do know.

I am wondering why Amberley asks you where this meeting should take place then.
I would think he knows whats going on there.


05 Sep 2013 15:56

re

I don't know, I think I read somewhere that Berlin has more Turkish inhabitants than Istanbul does, but unlike him I've never been there to see how that goes.


istanbully ♂
Barbaros
05 Sep 2013 16:29

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> The second thing is my belief that
> the original values of the country should never be
> compromised like this.

what makes a value original? majority's value is original? the older is the more original?1 the value of the some citizens don't suffice to make it original?

> But in light of equal treatment [fn leave it to a lefty]
> he's of course willing to compromise, which in this case
> means a ban on Christmas scenes too.

i really hate bans! i prefer equality on freedom.

regardless of any religion or cultural events, the celebration in a four weeks in a row is ridicilous and unnecessary in the central place . a day or 2 should be enough for cultural interaction. if it has to be done for weeks, it can be done somewhere else.


05 Sep 2013 17:13

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I mean the values on which the original country has lived by and some of which it was even founded. 'We' for instance can't go to an islamic country either and say, "the view is great here, except for that irritating mosque. Can't we tear it down?"

I agree with you on freedom of course, but the question of the matter is why these do-gooders have to come up with these things all the time while there isn't even a problem.


05 Sep 2013 17:15

re

founded upon*, sorry.


Kizuna ♀
Pocket
05 Sep 2013 21:20

I just looked this up

and as I thought, it is a hoax apparently invented and perpetuated by anti-islamic blogs and was then picked up by the rainbow press.

A statement by the chairman of the District Council of Kreuzberg issued today clarified that no religious holidays will or indeed could legally be banned from the public realm since religious holidays are expressly protected by the German Grundgesetz.


Kizuna ♀
Pocket
05 Sep 2013 21:21

Except

they didn't.


Tracy!
05 Sep 2013 21:24

re

lol yeah I was thinking that was pretty extreme. Hard to imagine a world without Santa :-P


05 Sep 2013 21:50

okay

So the world hasn't gone completely mad then. That's a reassuring thought.


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