05 Sep 2013 03:02
Berlin's ban on Christmas
In Berlin's district of Kreuzberg the district's council has come up with something new. Initially an idea by the Green Party and the Pirate Party, but well received by the Social Democrats.
The thing is, that about 300 muslims want to celebrate Ramadan for more than four weeks in a row on a central place in that area, according to this SD councelor. In his opinion that's hardly doable for the district, so that's off the agenda.
Two things here don't quite add up to me. Muslims only celebrate the end of Ramadan ( the Eid) which officially lasts only three days. The second thing is my belief that the original values of the country should never be compromised like this. Ask an average muslim on the streets what he thinks about this and chances are he doesn't even care.
I wonder what those leftist appeasers think they're onto, even when it's completely unnecessary.
05 Sep 2013 03:41
I agree with your sentiments regarding this joker you speak of, in that he does seem to be cutting his nose off to spite his face. And I agree that the historical authenticity from which ones culture is derived, should be protected & perserved. Traditions are important to any people. Which is why I also believe that Muslims should be able to keep, practice & honour theirs too.
05 Sep 2013 03:46
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05 Sep 2013 05:40
>The thing is, that about 300 muslims want to celebrate
What central place are you thinking of ? I know almost every street there behind the Oberbaumbrücke along Skalitzer Strasse because I have had some relatives living there in the Oppelner Strasse. Traditionally, this area has become a district of the Turkish population since the sixties and seventies. I do not understand why there is this 'prohibition', but I am afraid the politicians do not want any trouble before the federal elections. Every year in May Kreuzberg is the centre of trouble between opposing groups. I think it is not directed against the muslime population but is a mere security problem of the authorities in this overcrowded district of Berlin.
05 Sep 2013 06:02
Reply to re by Tracy!
> Perhaps there could have been a better compromise - like
That is the point in this case, I believe.
> I don't know lol. New Zealand has a lot of
Of course it is.
05 Sep 2013 06:12
>>> Why cant they just celebrate side by side?
Seen from outside that is a reasonable question. But here the local population usually blames other cultures not to be willing to get integrated and to learn German. And the multicultured people from the diasporas blame the Germans not to welcome them.
05 Sep 2013 14:50
lol @ de Telegraaf news sourse
05 Sep 2013 15:36
I don't hold the newspaper in high regard either, but I know it got picked up by several bloggers first. The latter tend to get on the news before it becomes news.
There's no such thing as reliable newspapers.
05 Sep 2013 15:44
thats why I said more reliable... :)
I am wondering why Amberley asks you where this meeting should take place then.
05 Sep 2013 15:56
I don't know, I think I read somewhere that Berlin has more Turkish inhabitants than Istanbul does, but unlike him I've never been there to see how that goes.
05 Sep 2013 16:29
> The second thing is my belief that
what makes a value original? majority's value is original? the older is the more original?1 the value of the some citizens don't suffice to make it original?
> But in light of equal treatment [fn leave it to a lefty]
i really hate bans! i prefer equality on freedom.
regardless of any religion or cultural events, the celebration in a four weeks in a row is ridicilous and unnecessary in the central place . a day or 2 should be enough for cultural interaction. if it has to be done for weeks, it can be done somewhere else.
05 Sep 2013 17:13
I mean the values on which the original country has lived by and some of which it was even founded. 'We' for instance can't go to an islamic country either and say, "the view is great here, except for that irritating mosque. Can't we tear it down?"
I agree with you on freedom of course, but the question of the matter is why these do-gooders have to come up with these things all the time while there isn't even a problem.
05 Sep 2013 21:20
I just looked this up
and as I thought, it is a hoax apparently invented and perpetuated by anti-islamic blogs and was then picked up by the rainbow press.
A statement by the chairman of the District Council of Kreuzberg issued today clarified that no religious holidays will or indeed could legally be banned from the public realm since religious holidays are expressly protected by the German Grundgesetz.