22 Dec 2011 14:45
Reply to re by Tracy!
>. quote 'Its NOT okay to bully'. Its NOT okay to pick on someone
Is that why you made fun of Breena's mental dysfunction on several occasions?
22 Dec 2011 16:54
Re to all
After having gone through all the collective crap, seeing what everyone 1 has said, having watched the typical crap storm 2 ensue, and remembering that prior to this, I tried to step away from this thread in particular, I realize now that my code of honor requires me to speak on this, having suffered on both sides of it myself on too many occasions.
To start, I'd like to issue an apology to the following:
The reason for this is that I have personally mislabeled bullying as "any type of unwanted contact from one person towards another". If that were the case, the American Congress, House, Senate, and all types of law would be nothing but bullies.
Now, getting to the nitty gritty of the issue from a victim:
Back when I was growing up 3, I witnessed and suffered attacks of the verbal and physical aspect due to people's differences and misunderstandings of one another. They didn't like that someone was different from them, and attacked them for said difference. A few, after wards, did commit suicide. Suicide was more rampant in the 90's 4 then it was at any time. With the rise of the internet, it became even more rampant and wide spread, because a whole new form of bullying that was not previously known or foreseen came about. This was called "online bullying". It has been programmed with what I've called "high school rhetoric" that we should just "dismiss and not care, since not caring hurts worse then any insult." In times of stress, this doesn't always work, and we find that we in a defensive manner, go into what they call in psychology the "fight or flight" instinct, but with a new twist: If you fight, it gets worse, if you fly, people ridicule you for being weak. Again, though, this is where that "high school rhetoric" comes into play, and you should just shirk it off, right? Well, not all of us were programmed with that, and unfortunately, the only way we see out was to remove ourselves from the equation altogether, sometimes with even more insistence from those who just want to see blood, or have the self satisfaction of a fake victory and superiority. This is the sad state of society as current. Otherwise "good god fearing" men and women go to the internet in the hopes to see wide-spread destruction and suffering just as a method of venting, then say "survival of the fittest!" "death to the weak, glory to the strong!" The surprising part of that 5 is the the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey said the same thing in the 13 Satanic Statements. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!! People will defend their right by doing so, because those same god-fearing men and women ages ago dismissed Anton LaVey as a loon and a kook, because he had worked at a Carnival! Do you see the vicious cycle yet? If not, let me give you it step by step
THE VICIOUS CYCLE OF JUSTIFICATION OF BULLYING
DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM?!?!
The problem isn't so much that a bully is a bully! The issue at hand is that the bullying is taking place to begin with, no matter what the reason behind it, or why the bully is bullying, it is STILL happening! And, no matter who you are or your background, if you think on it, at one point or another in your life, you've been guilty of doing it!
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, either.
Now, with that said, on the OTHER side, there is the why this is happening:
In this modern era, we have seen such wonderful things in society being accepted. Some examples of this are increasingly violent TV, video games, Movies, and entertainment. While it's all jolly good fun to kick back with a brew and play Modern Warfare 3, and shoot down all the pixelated animations that burst in happy trail of bloody goodness, it also creates a whole new type of person. The person who sees another's suffering as a means of relaxation and pleasure. So, after the games get repeatative, the movies get boring, and the TV shows re-runs, what do we do? We try to expand to find a new venue for said entertainment. So, where does that leave us? THE INTERNET! Yes, a whole world of new people to push around and make crack, so we can get MORE entertainment! MORE fun! At the suffering of others, we gain our refuge.
So, yes, I'm sure there are other things to blame and factor in, and I'm also sure that I'm only scratching the surface, but, as it has already been mentioned, this is a very elaborate topic, one that could be discussed til the end of time.
So, please, continue posting your thoughts, and I'll try to respond myself, as well.
22 Dec 2011 23:11
wow you guys are still on this .. anyway; It's funny how people tend to disparage her(breena) to feel better about themselves on some scale, it's partly her fault for being so open about her recovery and people use that as sort of vantage point to project their life frustrations but trust me she is saner and much more stable emotionally than a whole bunch of you keyboard warriors here ,im sure your nihilistic traits get a kick out of disparaging her but trust me most of you would do well to humble yourselves,
23 Dec 2011 01:32
It's still bullying. I have seen a lot of cases of older males picking on younger ones. I'm sure you might have seen such behavior as well, but just don't notice it for what it is. Call it what you like but picking on someone weaker than you is cowardice, regardless of age, is still bullying.
23 Dec 2011 01:48
u call it bullying doesnt mean u are using the correct word
and breena just because i disagree with u doesnt mean i think u are dumb
23 Dec 2011 02:03
Well the issue is a lot more dynamic here than we are even really getting in to. Circumstances matter which is why bullying, or being bullied can happen at any age, and also, but not limited to, between people of different ages, gender, race... all uh dat. Child abuse is a whole different issue, because once again circumstances matter. And we're not even talking about child abuse. We're talking about bullying.
And what's with the condescension in this place? Can you motherfathers 1 please grow the hell up? and quit with the snide remarks like you could stand toe-to-toe with some and actually talk like that. I bet most of you wouldn't be able to.
23 Dec 2011 09:35
Reply to Re to all by Dragonis
> To start, I'd like to issue an apology to the following:
If my posts to you have been "unwanted contact" and you seem to become particularly upset by this then why not take steps to change this like not posting on a public board where it's quite common foe people with different opinions to reply to your posts ?
> said difference. A few, after wards, did commit suicide.
A "few" committed suicide ? Isn't the amount of friends who have committed suicide an exact number that is burned into your memory ? I'm wondering if there is any statistical evidence to support your comment about suicide in the 90s - or are you just guessing ? I'm not sure that suicide was any more statistically common in the 90s and if it was why does your hypothesis about the link between being online and suicide go against the original 90s trends as more and more people are using the web ?
One statistic we will never see is how many people are saved from loneliness , isolation and suicide from being able to access the internet and stay in contact with people.
23 Dec 2011 11:06
> One statistic we will never see is how many people are
23 Dec 2011 16:13
> If my posts to you have been "unwanted contact" and you
No, I'm not going to play into your attempts of saying that I "force myself to be the victim" I don't. As I've said before to such posts, no one should EVER be attacked!
> A "few" committed suicide ? Isn't the amount of friends
Do I need to go gather certified death certificates for all my dead friends? 1
> One statistic we will never see is how many people are
For once, we agree. But the rest, I will not agree. NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ATTACK ANYONE, VERBALLY OR OTHERWISE
23 Dec 2011 16:15
/end of thread!
Thank creation! I get the last word.
The point is that nobody should attack anyone, and that we should all learn tolerance, professionalism, and restraint, and be forced to live with that mentality, as we are offline.
If you need a vent, go play video games.